Friday, July 6, 2018

Jumble Discussion

Just a thread for Crossword Corner Jumble discussions. Feel free to discuss at the Comments section.

Owen has started a Jumble Blog, please click here.

C.C.

64 comments:

D4E4H said...

It was nice of C.C. to open this for us. I was like those who do not want the CWP, and the Jumble to be mixed together, and yet people wanted to talk about them both. I got confused about which subject they were writing.

I use the hint tab to check my letter selection when I'm having a problem. On today's J, word 3, I put ed at the end, and soon found that that was wrong.

Word 1, 2, and 4 came easy

On the solution, I can't remember whether I needed a hint, but I got it without difficulty.

Ðave

OwenKL said...

Well, I wrote and posted my poems before I read CC's note to come here. I guess this is where my second l'ick belonged.

Mr. Worf drove a CAR worse on ground than in air.
When a blond Wookie pulled him over, he was filled with despair!
He thought a bribe? No, no graft
Could save his ground-craft.
Still the deputy let him off -- he was thorough, but fair!

Misty said...

Many thanks for coming up with a solution to our Jumble problem, C.C. My only question is how to use it. I can put J comment or something in my post--but then how do I get to this site to post my Jumble comment? I gather your link won't be here after today?
Again, thank you so much for helping us out with this.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Misty,
Just bookmark this page. It'll always be here. The post won't be updated, but the Comments section can continue on.

Anonymous said...

Maybe omk can put his diagonal report here. Shouldn't take up too much space as nobody cares about it but himself. It's all about talking just to hear himself talk.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Sorry to trouble you, Anonymous @11:56.
You may not have noticed, but there are a few other colleagues who have shown interest from time to time. You are of course entirely free to skip right by any diagonal-related topic. I would not want to ruin your morning.

Hm. Since diagonals are definitely part of crosswords (not Jumble-related), I suppose the proper place for them is in the main Corner.

But I do thank you for your contribution. We all learn from each other.

~ OMK

Ol' Man Keith said...

OwenKL!
Your sly verse reveals today's "final answer" without drawing undue attention to it.
I think your last line wittier than the original Jumble version.

~ OMK

Anonymous said...

I always appreciate that you sign your work and with such boldness. Also you skip a line and highlight with a fancy dash just make sure no one is uncertain as to who wrote it. Although blogger tries to take care of that by announcing who's post is following by stating your name and avatar with the date time already. Thanks for that. Dont need any confusion as to what Keith has to say.

Wilbur Charles said...

Talk about a TANSY in the garden .

Mr T could you infest another blog, perhaps Rex Parker.

WC*

No bold .

Mike Sherline said...

BOY! Every day is a surprise. I've always had trouble with anagrams - on Jeapordy I'm still trying to figure out the first one when they finish running the category. But sometimes I just look at a Jumble word for a few seconds and it pops out. That's rare - often I have to open a text file and put them in alphabetical order, separate vowels & consonants, and try to make words starting with each letter. If I'm lucky the answer will show itself after a few tries, but lots of times it seems I fill the page and occasionally even try all possible options without finding it. Today the first 2 came fairly quickly but I had to do some analysis on the two 6 letter words. Had to think long and hard to get the solution. Started by trying to think of all the possible 4 letter words and then seeing if I could make anything of the 8 remaining ones. Finally - sheesh!

Misty said...

Just got back from a long day of errands and an eye doctor visit, and am exhausted. I got all four answers for the Jumble, but can't get that long 8 letter reveal on the bottom. Any helpful clues would be greatly appreciated.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Misty,
I think the best clue you can find is the one posted by OwenKL.
Take a long look at the final line of his verse, above ...

Otherwise, I'll see you in great detail at this year's mid-July to mid-August Orange County exposition.

~ OMK

Misty said...

Thanks Owen. Thanks to OMK pointing me to your verse, I finally got the Jumble. Yay!

Wilbur Charles said...

Misty, I'm glad you fared well . Btw, Owen used a new device, homophones, for #1 and #2 . #3 he spelled out .#4 he left for us to Grok .

Did you spot them?

I thought I had the Wednesday Sudoku, normally out of my ken. But as I was entering the last number I saw it was a duplicate . AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!

WC

Then again I suppose a Wookie is simian

Lucina said...

What a wonderful thing C.C. has done for us in establishing this thread!

I got to the Jumble late today; besides unpacking, cooking dinner, etc., we are planning a family party for June/July birthdays so all that takes time though I'm not totally involved in the preparations.

When finally I saw the J, all the words came together quickly. My mind works strangely: seeing the letters spread out my brain automatically starts sorting them and usually they fall in place like today. The final answer took a while longer but then I saw all the vowels, O, O, U then G and H and THOROUGH popped out. The final FARE was easy.

When reading Owen's poem I failed to notice that last line.

Anonymous T said...

#3 was not typed-U :-(

I got the final-answer but the last 2 unscrambles are still scrambled. #DyslexiaSucks.

Jheers, -T

Lucina said...

AnonT:
The last one is a primate and the one above it, or penultimate one is a sheriff's assistant. I hope that helps.

Anonymous T said...

Lucina - I finally 'saw' #4 on my own [this monkey is slow on the uptake].

Re: #3 Thanks and LOL! What's funny? (you didn't ask)
I posted about "I SHOT the Sheriff (but I did not shoot the deputy)" @34a in my post @the Corner (see: Other Sparkle line).

Jheers, -T

Anonymous T said...

Lucina - in case you're not familiar with I SHOT the Sheriff by Bob Marley [performed by Clapton]. -T

OwenKL said...

If we're going to do this much, this is going to get awfully long! Need to start a new one each day!

I went a-hunting, and so far I
Lassoed in a holler a black magpie!
But in the dust and grime
It was nearly a crime --
I sure am glad for my roping dead-eye!

D4E4H said...

OKL,

It matters not how many comment there are. Today's are at the bottom.

I found each of your clues to be cleverly woven.

#1 - I used a hint for the first letter. Then I was able to round up the word, Yee Haw!

#2 - This one came clean.

#3 - This one just fell into place

#4 - Again a hint for the first letter allowed me to bag the big game.

Solution - The first word could be only two words, and of course I chose the wrong one. Hint corrected that. I use hint to see if I have chosen the correct letter. It corrected the first letter of the last word, and I too saw land sure enough.

Ðave

Misty said...

Fun Jumble this morning. The first four words came easily, but I had to work a little to get the fourth one. The single letter start helped with the reveal and I soon got what that pirate told his crew! Yay! Good start to a hot Saturday.

Ol' Man Keith said...

I'm still on an upward curve, finding the first four easier day by day. Still, there's always one that takes a little longer. It's usually the third or fourth, one with six letters. Today it was the fourth.
It's probably a mental block. I need to shake myself free of it - and then I can stop doing the Jumble.

Today's final answer came as soon as I gave up on "ME and "SO" as the third word.

~ OMK

Wilbur Charles said...

I just can't get the reveal today. I got the four jumbles in two minutes.

Ok. Third word not "SO" or me, I knew that because picture used "Me".

I'm guessing the Pirate spoke in Pirrrate lingo. The newspaper is in the car but the letters are I MHEARSO as I recall.

I just can't figure it out. I'm walking the plank today. And I got the xword clean except for CHOCO/CHICO.

WC

D4E4H said...

Here are the letters of the solution scrambled: s o m e h a r i

Solution: _ - _ _ _ _ _ - _ _

What do you have for the short words.

Ðave

Misty said...

Wilbur, you got the letters but just didn't unscramble them yet. Hope it's okay if I help a little more, since it's so late in the day:

I "_ _ _ _ _" AM. The pirate is on the water and about to land, and is therefore close to the _ _ _ _ _.

OwenKL said...

Should we render unto Caesar
Tithes we now to churches bring?
Or like Pagans should we render
Unto meadows where flowers spring?
Let the learned theologians
Quote their laws and legal tomes.
Let the lawyers file their motions
Based on holy books alone!
Ranged against such erudition
How should one of simple soul
Decide his acts with trepidation?
A wealth of happiness is a goal!

OwenKL said...
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OwenKL said...

There are two versions of the Jumble on Sundays. The daily format, 5-5-6-6-answer; and a larger Sunday format, 6-6-6-6-6-6-answer. My poem above was for the smaller version. I'm too tired to do another poem for the longer one. Any Inquiries Need Good Background Tho. Beta-Test Answers.

Wilbur Charles said...

Duhhhhhhhhhh. Ah shorrrrr nuff get it now Misty . Thank you .

WC

Misty said...

Wow! Long Jumble this morning with six items and a 17 letter answer. Didn't think I was ever going to get this one, but miraculously, it all fell into place. Got all the clue answers, and Bingo! got the reveal as well. Hope everyone else had the same satisfying experience!

Wilbur Charles said...

Well, I saw Big Ben which is a clock and very popular. So hence the reveal. But..

It wouldn't fit with the letters I had. #5 was not BROTHE. Maybe the French spell it that way. I was looking for a missing R and found it .

Have the eyes improved, Misty? As I seem to recall, conjunctivitis improves quickly with the right drops.

WC

Lucina said...

Though I enjoy reading all your comments, especially since I was AWOL yesterday, I believe we need a fresh start each day as we do on the crossword Blog.

Yesterday I finally had a chance to work on the J and the words fell quite easily but couldn't quite get the answer so went to bed. This morning when I awoke, it popped out, yes it shorrrrrr did!

Today, Sunday, all but the first word came through without a glitch and the picture of Big Ben drew it out even without the first word. Finally! I got it. And that's a fact.

Misty said...

Thanks for asking, Wilbur. Eyes not yet improved, but got a prescription medication that I tried for the first time today. So hopefully in the next week, things will get better.

OwenKL said...

Lucina: I agree, so I've set one up at https://jumblehints.blogspot.com. Just a frame-work for now, it'll take a lot of tweaking, but it's enough for us to comment on!

There are several other Jumble blogs, but the ones I checked all started off by listing the answers. I like the way Cornerites either hinted at them or masked them by burying them in comments, so no overt spoilers!

Lucina said...

Thank you, Owen! I'll go there now.

Misty said...

Well, this morning's Jumble was as easy as this morning's crossword. I got all four words without any problem. Then it took me a couple tries to get the resolve, and then Voila! I got it! Let me know if you need any help or hints, anyone--and I'll do the same on the days (later in the week) when I have trouble solving the J.

D4E4H said...

#1 was delicious

#2 measured up

#3 was a song

#4 words ?

Solution - any thing I say will give it away.

Ðave

Mike Sherline said...

DAVE - I don't see how your hints have anything yo do with today's (Mon 7/9) J - the cartoon clue is "What the cowboys called their cook".

Ol' Man Keith said...

Well, D4E4H,
Let me see if I can take things to the next level w/o giving away the store:

#1 Had some down in N'awlins.

#2 A big help in times of inflation.

#3 Was not Rap.

#4 Annex and abut?

And the final is finely constructed.

~ OMK

Wilbur Charles said...

Mike S, if you go to Owen's site you'll see the Latimes Jumble that we're all talking about .

Owen has a poem about the Jumble

WC

Mike Sherline said...

Thanks - I was looking at yesterday's and thought it was today's.

Misty said...

I really struggled with this morning's Jumble, even though I go all four words without any problems at all. But it took me forever--and help from Owen's poem--before the light finally dawned and I got it! Huge relief, and let me know if you need additional help, anybody.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Misty,
I too thought the final would be tough. But then I thought some of the four prelims would be tough, and they weren't.
So, thus emboldened, I stuck with my usual method. First, try to pin down the small word first - in this case the 2-letter opener. Usually there is a limit to what the small words can be, an article maybe or a preposition. Today, neither made sense according to the partial lead-in sentence.
So I looked for other possibilities, but came up empty (for a while).
Next, see what others words leap out from the assorted letters. There was a "Z" starting at me, a curiously rare letter (as with "Q," "J," "K," and "V," whenever they appear). And - Bam! - the final 4-letter word popped into the Ol' Walnut as if by magic.
From there, I sought out the "ing" ending that often precedes that last "Z" word.
And Lo! there it was.

The rest, as they say, is covalence...

~ OMK

Misty said...

Many thanks, Ol'Man Keith: your procedure is actually exactly the one I followed and how I got the puzzle answer--a huge relief. Thanks for explaining it, not just for me, but for others as well.

I'll be out for much of the day tomorrow, so not sure I'll be able to do the Jumble and check in. But if not, I'll try to catch up on Thursday.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Strangely today, I had to work backwards from the final answer. I was stuck on a couple of the prelim words, but I had enough letters to confirm the second word of the final answer.
Knowing that word, and seeing the quote marks around the first word I knew it would be a pun or homonym. The cartoon led me to fill in those blanks, and it was easy enough then to insert the missing letters in the unfinished prelims.

Thus, it took no more time than usual, even by such a circuitous route.

Ta- DA!

~ OMK

Misty said...

Well, I have to admit that I think I got today's Jumble resolve even without getting the fourth answer, and with just a good guess. But we'll have to see tomorrow if I was right or not. Have a great evening, everybody!

Ol' Man Keith said...

Today's Jumble almost got the better of me. It was a tough one, but the delay was my own fault because I forgot to transcribe a second "S" when I was assembling the mixed letters. Obviously every letter is crucial for an anagram to be worked out.

[Dated Spoiler ahead:]

Misty, did you get yesterday's (Wednesday's) final right?
Did you work out the 4th prelim as JIGSAW?

~ OMK

Misty said...

Ol'Man Keith, no, I goofed on yesterday's puzzle because I didn't get JIGSAW and had "Ride Side" for the answer instead of "Ride Idea." And, sadly, I didn't get this morning's Jumble either because I wasn't able to sort out SURBAD, although I got the other three words. Any hints would be appreciated, although it's going on supper time and I'm not sure I'll be able to work on it much more tonight. I just hope they're not starting to make the Jumbles harder as the week goes on, like the crossword puzzles. I need something I can do at the end of the week!

Ol' Man Keith said...

M ~

For SURBAD, just think how inane your answer could be.

~ OMK

Misty said...

Thanks, Ol'Man Keith--I got that, thanks to your inane hint. Now if you can give me some hints about the middle or last words of the answer--that would be another great help.

Misty said...

Never mind, OMK--I think I got it! I think I got it! Doesn't make perfect sense, given the cartoon, but I'll see tomorrow if I might have done it. But I could not have gotten this far without your hint about that inane clue.

Ol' Man Keith said...

You probably have it - if your middle word is a possessive and the last starts with "D."

Misty said...

Yep, Ol'Man Keith, I got yesterday's Jumble--confirmed by this morning's LA Times.

But then came this morning's Jumble, and this time I got all four answers without any problems, but am still struggling with the long final answer. I'm guessing those first three letters will be a negative of some sort--and I can think of two possibilities, but not sure which one to choose. And then I get stuck. So if anyone has any advice or hints to give me that would be great. I'm sure it has to relate to Pharmaceutical--but how? I'll keep working at it, and look forward to any help you all can give me.

Misty said...

I just wrote a long message but it didn't post for some reason. I started by saying that I was happy to see that I had figured out the correct Jumble answer yesterday after all, as it appeared in this morning's LA Times Jumble answer.


Got all four answers of this morning's Jumble, but not the reveal on the bottom, Any hints anyone has to offer will be greatly appreciated.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Today's (Friday's) J nearly did me in - all because I so wanted the last word to be LEGAL. It certainly seemed to fit the cartoon & lead-in sentence.

And part of the problem is that I wanted the first three letters to be NOT, as that seemed to fit perfectly with LEGAL. But I need to learn to give up clinging to a favorite part of the final answer.
My main hint now is that the final word is not LEGAL.

The first 3-letter word has to do with the condition of this corrupt druggist's customers.

~ OMK

Ol' Man Keith said...

Today's (Friday's) J nearly did me in - all because I so wanted the last word to be LEGAL. It certainly seemed to fit the cartoon & lead-in sentence.

And part of the problem is that I wanted the first three letters to be NOT, as that seemed to fit perfectly with LEGAL. But I need to learn to give up clinging to a favorite part of the final answer.
My main hint now is that the final word is not LEGAL.

The first 3-letter word has to do with the condition of this corrupt druggist's customers.

~ OMK

Ol' Man Keith said...

Sorry if my comments appear more than once. I can't seem to see my postings once I've published them...

Ol' Man Keith said...

Today's (Friday's) J nearly did me in - all because I so wanted the last word to be LEGAL. It certainly seemed to fit the cartoon & lead-in sentence.

And part of the problem is that I wanted the first three letters to be NOT, as that seemed to fit perfectly with LEGAL. But I need to learn to give up clinging to a favorite part of the final answer.
My main hint now is that the final word is not LEGAL.

The first 3-letter word has to do with the condition of this corrupt druggist's customers.

~ OMK

Ol' Man Keith said...

Testing.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Testing

Wilbur Charles said...

I had the riddkras ILL GOTTEN GAINS .

Oh, there's today's Jumble with the answer .

OwenKL said...

Further discussion move to http://JumbleHints.blogspot.com/.

OwenKL said...

Further discussion move to http://JumbleHints.blogspot.com/.